12/3: God’s place in prayer

12/3: God’s place in prayer

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  1. Hi John,

    Thank you for your Lift. I had a rather late night and am only now going to bed and it was wonderful to have this thought to go to bed with. I loved how you brought out that God is in the beginning, the middle and the final words in the Lord's Prayer. Thank you for that.

    I will have to admit that for years I kind of took the Lord's Prayer for granted (I know, Oh the Shame!) but what I mean is that I repeated it many times with reverence and always searched for a deeper meaning but didn't really visualize it as I do now.

    I had gone through a major challenge and I found the Lord's Prayer began to unlock its treasures like never before...or in other words, I started to see the treasures that were always there. One Sunday I found new meaning in a few lines:-

    "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil;" (the Holy Bible)
    "And God leadeth us not into temptation, but delivereth us from sin, disease, and death. (Science & Health p. 16).

    As I read it, I paused at 'us' which therefore reads (including Mrs. Eddy's "spiritual sense' of the Lord's Prayer:-

    "And lead us....." (Bible)
    "And GOD...... leadeth us....." (Science & Health p.16)

    My fears and frustrations started to whittle away. GOD leads us, not regret, not sorrow, not anger, not temptation, not humans! HE delivers us. One can of course read the passage fully but pausing at the "us" and stressing "GOD" has helped me many times.

    It is GOD that leads. I needed that. Thx.

  2. Thank you John for this wonderful perspective on the Lord's Prayer. It is certainly a prayer of affirmation of His Allness, ever-presence and oneness, His governance, the source of our every need, and His command and power, protecting and delivering us. The All-mighty God is forever with us in our lives, as in the prayer. Mary Baker Eddy speaks of the importance of this prayer when she says, " Only as we rise above all material sensuousness and sin, can we reach the heaven-born aspiration and spiritual consciousness, which is indicated in the Lord's Prayer and which instantaneously heals the sick." Only God could be at the heart of this prayer.

  3. Thank you!!! Really excellent lift for me to be supported by right now as I continue in my spiritual growth.

    Thank God for God!

  4. Many thanks John for reminding us that God is everywhere, as also the next three Bible Lessons beginning with the word 'God' clearly points out. And I like to study all these three lessons in one sitting, looking for the key words: 'offspring'; 'tributary'; 'expression'; 'constitutes' and 'author'. "In atmosphere of Love divine,/ We live, and move, and breathe;/ Though mortal eyes may see it not,/ 'Tis sense that would deceive." (Christian Science Hymnal #144).

  5. Thank you, John, for “God’s place in prayer … powerfully central … God is … the sole power …”

    “… our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit …” (II Cor 3:5,6).

    “After this manner therefore pray ye:
    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
    For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever” (Matt 6:9-13).

    “May this dear little church … be steadfast in Christ, always abounding in love and good works, having unfaltering faith in the … proofs of Holy Writ … have one God, one Christ … whom the Scriptures declare … leave behind those things that are behind … and, pressing forward … run in joy, health, holiness …” (My 155:4).

    “… for ever. Amen” (Matt 6:13)

  6. Thank you so much, John. God at the beginning, the middle, and the end. That's really ALL we need to remember. We appreciate the reminder.

  7. You can imagine that because God is the beginning, the middle (and because God is infinite) God is ALL!
    God is the source, the originator and the power behind everything that exist.

    In this premise rests the world’s progress.

    This is the reasoning that brings end to wars, healing to pain and sorrow, and guarantees that “weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.” PS 30:5

    Pueden imaginarse que puesto que Dios es el comienzo, el medio (y puesto que Dios es infinito)! Dios es TODO¡

    En esta premisa descansa el progreso del mundo.

    Este es el razonamiento que acaba las guerras, sana todo dolor y pena y garantiza que “Por la noche durará el lloro, Y a la mañana vendrá la alegría.” Salmo 30:5

  8. Thank you Troy, for your US insight, and thank you, John, for the lift. It's been there all along, but so easy to overlook. Yes, God is ALL.

  9. Thank you, John, this gives me new insights, as I start the day with the Daily Prayer, the Lords Prayer, and the Scientific Statement of Being before arising. Just this morning I stopped part way through, and asked myself if I was only repeating well known words? I felt the need to go more deeply into the meaning of the words. Divine Love always has met, and always will meet every human need. That need is for understanding- not food, shelter, finances, companionship, and other material things. Understanding the Truth.

  10. Domo Arigato Gozaimasu

  11. Thank you John for the reminder that the Lord's Prayer is all about God, the beginning, the middle and the end. Jill Gooding once said in a Sentinel article on the Lord's Prayer. that "it is one of continuous affirmation of God's presence and power, and of our oneness with our divine Father-Mother "A truly comforting thought. The idea that God is OUR Father, belonging to each one of us, whoever and wherever we are.

  12. Thank you for your Daily Lift this morning. It's 2 in the morning in Arizona. It sure met my need .

  13. Thank you, dear John for letting us see GOD as a l l, beginning, middle and end - even as all in all; and we, his children as lovingly in the middle of this allness of His Love.
    And thank you Troy #1 for your explanation "and God leadeth us ..."! Very interesting and nice.

  14. Just those two words, John, "Our Father. . . " and Mrs Eddy's own appellation, "Our dear Father,. . . " have both brought healing outcomes of spiritual awakening and physical adjustment. Mrs Eddy says we should pray this prayer frequently. I know some have set their oven clocks to remind them to keep praying! What a comfort to realize that Christ Jesus, himself, used this prayer on every occasion in the dark and desert places; on the mountain top; in the garden during the night hours; and before, after and during every day of his earthly mission..
    Thank you Nate and team; the Board of Lectureship; and the Daily Lift family.

  15. Thank you John for reminding us of how important the word US is. It's so easy to fall into the trap of thinking WE are on our own, simply because we know that we are "One with God" but we are ALL one with God, including the ones who error would tell us are different. I find, that when it often seems difficult at times to see my fellow man/woman this way, I just say " No matter what mortal sense would have me believe "Facts are facts" God made us all in His image and likeness. Thank you daily lift team and for all the helpful comments. LOVE to ALL

  16. Thank you for this very enlightening LIFT. It has really enlighten my thoughts.

  17. I like the idea that God is "THE GUVNOR"...its a cockney word...but its good to remember who's actually in control !

  18. Thank you.

  19. Driving late last night I was thinking the Lord's prayer and of God's continual loving presence in all we think and do, the road was clear (not promised fog) the train was on time, (not delayed as anticipated) and I found somewhere to park close to the railway station (wonderful) At the meeting I attended I felt impelled to speak to a man waiting by a table. He was the only other person of my profession in a room of over 100 people. We had plenty to share and say that was reciprocal and useful.'Our Father Mother God' was truly guiding the whole day.Thank you for this beautiful clear Lift today,I love 'beginning, middle and end' and thank you to the BoL and Lifters who in sharing spiritual ideas make this Lift so enlightening.

  20. Wonderful message, John. Thank you for the reminder how important the Lord's Prayer is and the "gems" it contains. We can never get "too much" inspiration from what we know or read.

  21. Dios es infinito, no tiene comienzo ni fin, Existe, Es. El hijo de Dios ha existido siempre, por lo tanto, también es, y nosotros hermanos del hijo amado, también somos en esa magnitud del Bien que abarca todo, que no crea, porque en el lugar del infinito no hay creación, hay expansión, de Sí mismo, repartiendo proporcionalmente en parte, de Su propia ecensia.

    Cualquiera lo puede sentir, y cualquiera lo puede trasmitir, porque es de Dios, y Él no hace acepción de personas ni discrimina, porque en esa incontenible bondad divina, da a todos por igual, para que dependiendo de nosotros mismos, despertermos y entendamos.

    Sí hay un lugar importante en la comunicación con Dios, la oración que se eleva, buscando comprender para hacer Su voluntad, que no es más que un sostenido progreso hacia el Bien, y que por efecto Reflejo, nos bendice.

    Muchas gracias John, es bueno recibir cada mañana un mensaje que nos despierte y nos haga reflexionar, para que encontremos ese Lugar Único, que bendice.


  22. Thank you!

  23. Thank you No.11 (Rosemary Deary) for sharing that wonderful article by Jill Gooding. I listened to it this morning and will certainly listen again. Best wishes to you! And thanks to all the other commenters and the Daily Lift staff for all you do. I tune in to the Daily Lift first thing every morning for a great start to my day, and always find encouraging words and often just the ideas I need.

  24. Yes indeed God is all ,forever .

  25. A true blessing to have this DL and following comments on one of the most important gifts that Jesus gave to us. Thanks to everyone.

  26. Thank-you most kindly for this "daily lift"!

  27. Thank you for this wonderful DLift!!

  28. The Lord's Prayer...not a single 'I,my,me or mine'in it....a powerful reminder..thank you for this reminder,as well..God,the beginning,the middle, the end...God the all in all...only God..

  29. Beautiful! thank you!

  30. Excellent.. kind of like treatment.. start with God, stay with God, end with God.

  31. Very interesting lift and comments..thank you!

  32. Thanks, John, for the thought that God is the beginning, the middle and the end of the Lord's Prayer. He is also our Father and Mother. What a comfort this is! And to Troy's comment regarding the Lord's Prayer not having much meaning at first reminds me of the feeling I have when visiting some other churches. They rattle off the prayer as if it's a race to the end. They can't possibly be thinking of what they're saying. I also like the thought he brought out that God leads us. All we have to do is follow. As hymn 95 so beautifully puts it, "He leadeth, me, O blessed thought, O words with heavenly comfort fraught. What-e'er I do, wher-e'er I be, Still 'tis God's hand that leadeth me.... His faithful follower I would be, For by His hand He leadeth me."

  33. "the simplicity of the Christ"....The simplest thought of God being the Beginning,the Middle, and the End, and yet, the most profound. If we understand the Allness of God, well, that is a powerful launch for all our spiritual progress, isn't it?Thank you, Christ Jesus, for this incomparable prayer which takes us right to our Source and grounds our thought in the omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence of God.Thank you, John for reminding me how much I love this prayer.

  34. When our first of 3 daughters were born, I was a fearful Mother, afraid of loosing a precious child so wanted. I felt that I could trust my lifelong gift of Christian Science for myself but was it right and fair to trust my child to it too? Much agonizing, until in church one time , the Lord's Prayer became the healing prayer to me as I repeated, "Our Father"! I was healed of the fear! God was OUR Father, not just mine. Of course I could trust her to OUR Father's care. This trust as remained through out their growing up years and continues today. I am thankful every day for God's Love for all.

  35. Thank you, John, for this message of God's allness.

    And thank you, Rosemary, for reminding me of the wonderful article by Jill Gooding on The Lord's Prayer. It is from the Christian Science Sentinel of June 27, 2005, an entire issue dedicated to The Lord's Prayer. I plan on spending my day with this issue.

  36. Thank you, John! I love how Our Lord's Prayer is a model for our lives - to start with God, live with God and end with God. I think Mrs. Eddy said once that God is our only real relative on earth and in heaven. So amazing to realize that all the "stuff' we go through with our human relatives here on earth is so petty and just a shadow of what is truly important - how are we doing with our understanding of our only Real Relationship.......our starting, living and ending with God? So grateful to Jesus for giving Us this Prayer to keep Us focused on God and for Mrs. Eddy for helping Us to understand spiritually our relationship with God!

  37. My mother often told me that when I was a child, and illness or accident would try to disrupt our joy-filled days on the farm, that she would hear me in my room repeating the Lord's Prayer, and off I would go, bounding free into the fields with dogs in tow. With that same childlike absolute trust, we all can start, go, and remain forever in our Father-Mother's perfect care - and realize the instantaneous healing (as quoted from SH 16 by #2) that the Lord's Prayer affords. Thank you John!

  38. Thank you, John....and thank all of you other commentors...watching the sun touch mountain tops this a.m. is not unlike the daily lift.

  39. Thank you John for bringing us the Lord's Prayer in a new light. So many times we say the words in rote, but really not understanding the full depth of it. Your Lift and Troy's explanation of "us" sheds new light and understanding on this beloved prayer. I especially love to hear it sung as I think the music gives it a special reverence.
    Thanks to Nate & team for bringing us these Lifts, and to the Lifters for your wonderful and inspiring comments.

  40. Thank you John for your dedicated work and inspiring lift. This is the perfect message for Christmas. Yes indeed God, the only "I AM" is All Love, good and this is a law in itself which rules the whole universe including each country and each human government. No walls of denomination, religion, nor philosophy, can resist "I AM". Thus we are one infinite family with the same Father, Mother, God/Good. Our Father. So comforting to be reminded of this in the time of Christmas

  41. The Lord's prayer is usually my first shelter I run to when a problem presents itself. Then I go to other truths that seem appropriate for the situation. There is always something in the Lord's prayer that is appropriate at the time and settles my thinking so I can mentally progress peacefully. Thank you one and all for sharing your loving, beautiful unfoldment of this lift.

  42. Thank You John!

  43. This wonderful reminder that God is at the heart of every prayer and always available to everyone, makes me happy to repeat the Lord's prayer. Great peace to all, Carol

  44. Thank you John and for all who lift me up. The Lord's prayer is such a vital healing support to me always.

  45. Beautiful, insight into the Lord's Prayer.
    Thank you John
    and all the Lift family who share gratitude and insights.

  46. That was wonderful-thank you. Simple yet s t r o n g and touching.

  47. The simplicity of the Christ, in Jesus' prayer and in this Lift. Thank you, John, for the pure thought and to the Daily Lift for delivering it worldwide yet again.

  48. Thanks for all the angel messages. After praying the Lord's Prayer all my life, it was only recently pointed out to me, as #28 reminds us, that there is "not a single I, my, me or mine in it.' #15 covers more with "All one with God and God made us all in His image and likeness." Thine is the kingdom (in which we live) and the power (by which we live) and the glory (for which we live) forever.
    God's blessings to you all.

  49. Thank you John and everyone for sharing. What a powerful lift.

  50. The "prayer which covers all human needs." (S&H 16:10) Thank you so much.

  51. We can even look at "THE LORD'S PRAYER" as a healing prayer for it brings out God in all his glory, his power in heaven and so on earth, his attachment to man in allowing man to understand God, his forgiveness of man believing himself as being mortal, his leadership of leading man out mortal mind's temptations and the right back to where it all started, the glory that God is, and all incompensing power.

  52. This message is matched by the delivery: quiet, calm, tender, expectant of good, assuring and assured.

  53. POWERFUL! I Loved It.

  54. God is All-in-all! Thank you!

  55. RE: #1 Troy from Barbados – I would like to add my appreciation for your inspiring insights about the "us" in the Lord's Prayer.

    It reminds me:

    Once I was in an argument with a loved one and I knew I was right. ;-) But, I didn't want to be in an argument. I went to God in prayer but really (deep down) for help in how I might persuade the other person to my ( the right! ;-) point of view. I began with "Our Father" (although I had really meant "MY Father!") - and stopped! Like you with the "us," I was inspired by the "our." What an awakening!!! I've never since, claimed God for only myself or to justify my viewpoint, but rather to learn to see more as "Our Father" sees.

    Of all people, Jesus had the right to pray, "MY Father;" but, he didn't. He knew that God belongs to every single one of us and we each belong to God. And in God's image and likeness, we pray for guidance and protection to live, accordingly.

    In fact, I’ve realized over the years that whenever I pray The Lord's Prayer, I am, according to its brilliant design, impelled to pray on behalf of not only me and mine - but all! All of God's children. My brothers and sisters in Christ. It’s like automatically praying for "the world" to be lifted up and out of bondage to the freedom we're born to with God as our Father – “the only powers that be!”

    Thanks again, Troy, and of course, John, and to our entire Daily Lift Family. What an inspiration you all are!!! ;-)

    And thanks to "Our Father!!!"

  56. Thank you for showing the purity of the First Commandment - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" - shining through the prayer Christ Jesus gave us, the Lord's Prayer.

  57. Thank you.Simply powerful!!

  58. Thank you. Start with God-stay with God. Again, many thanks.

  59. Matthew 6 (Christ Jesus teaches his followers how to pray) ~

    "After this manner therefore pray ye:

    Our Father which art in heaven,
    Hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
    For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.

    I know most everyone knows The Lord's Prayer,
    but I thought it would be nice for those who may not. (I copied it from a Bible Concordance.)

    Thank you, Mr. Tyler, for your inspiring insights about this prayer being about God more than man.
    Keeping God first in our days and lives means all that we need follows naturally.

  60. John, that was a beautiful, inspiring lift for the day! I love to be reminded of Our Lord's Prayer and how it touches ALL human needs. There's no beginning and no ending because God, our Father-Mother Love is All in All. And to be reminded of the Lord's Prayer as it starts out with God and it ends with God, and us, in the middle (in Him we live) embracing us in His arm of Love. How I love to be a part of His creation....to know Him as The Great I Am, the I AM that I AM.
    Always looking forward to our precious Daily Lifts. I am truly and wonderfully blessed for all the tireless efforts from our Daily Lifters!!!! Thank you.

  61. John, I love what you said at the beginning of the Lift that God is source, originator, and governor, in The Lords Prayer and at the end of the Lift the simple explanation is that we start with God, continue with God and end with God.

    For some reason I'm reminded of the Hymn and poem by Mary Baker Eddy named Mothers Evening Prayer, particularly the last verse:

    No snare, no fowler, pestilence or pain;
    No night drops down upon the troubled breast,
    When heaven's aftersmile earth's tear-drops gain,
    And mother finds her home and heav'nly rest.

    We start out with God and we end up with God, good. What a relief!

  62. When I have been asked to pray for anyone, not especially a Christian Scientest, I always say I will be happy to put you in the Lords Prayer the safe place. Thanks to all and God Bless

  63. Start - continue - end . . . . thank you!

  64. Cool since this passage from John 6 stood out to me today- What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

  65. Oh John,

    What a perfect supplement to this week's Lesson Sermon! This is, for me, a fresh look at The Lord's Prayer. It starts, continues, and ends with God. It's a bit like expressing gratitude for a healing before the healing occurs.
    For Bible citation 4-Romans 11:36 "for of Him and through Him, and to Him are all things..." in this week's Lesson Sermon the New English Bible says " God is the Source, Guide and goal of all that is." Many thanks for your succinct "Lift".

  66. Simply beautiful. Thank you for this insightful and uplifting message.

  67. How refreshingly practical, dignified, intelligent, true, active, compassionate and healing. To me, it is the only doctrine of Christian Science and really the heart of Christian teaching.

  68. John, your lift fits perfectly with my own daily prayer: "Today my soul can only sing and soar. An increasing sense of God's love, omnipresence and omnipotence enfolds me. Each day I know Him nearer, love Him more, and humbly pray to serve Him better." ( Miscellany p. 174:25, MBEddy)

  69. Thank you, since this is my favorite prayer to remember as many family and friends as can while going through it , usually before sleep....MBE spiritual interpretation brilliant,I think.

  70. Thank you John and lifters.
    Yes, God all the time!!
    "In Him we live and move and have our being." Acts 17:28
    Oh joy! Oh joy!

  71. Dear John,

    How inspiring. It give me a whole new perspective on prayer. Prayer is not about asking to better understand our relationship with God, but recognizing that we comprehend it now, because it is natural, as long as we see that everything starts from God. Starting from God in everything we do is so important, the only way to do it right, and simple because we recognize, through prayer, that this is just natural.

  72. Thank you for today's clear message.

  73. Super message and comments. Thanks to the team that makes these upLifts happen. I am so grateful!!

    I've always wanted to go deeper in understanding "the prayer that meets all human need."

  74. Simply perfect.
    Perfectly simple.
    Thank you, John!

  75. Thank you for this simple, yet powerful reminder - very helpful!

  76. John, Thank you! The "Lift" is most inspired.These words came to me after listening to the Daily Lift today "Dear Lord and Father of us all,Forgive our foolish ways;Reclothe us in our rightful mind;-------------Drop Thy still dews of quietness,; Take from us now the strain and stress,And let our ordered lives confess The beauty of Thy peace(CS Hymnal:49)

  77. "My prayer some daily good to do to Thine for thee;
    An offering pure of love whereto God leadeth me.
    I am so grateful that we can pray "be it song, science or sermon"-all good from God.

    Daily Lift Team:

    From the last verse of "Christ my refuge" a poem by Mary Baker Eddy. Also, see Hymn 253 in the Christian Science Hymnal.
    My prayer, some daily good to do
    To Thine, for Thee;
    An offering pure of Love, whereto
    God leadeth me.

    And from "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" by Mary Baker Eddy, page 234:4 --
    Whatever inspires with wisdom, Truth, or Love — be it song, sermon, or Science — blesses the human family with crumbs of comfort from Christ's table, feeding the hungry and giving living waters to the thirsty.

  78. A great reminder from #9 Richard- Monterey, Ca about meeting every human need which I have always concluded that meant real "human" needs but his reminder was the human need to understand the Truth. So very helpful and this daily lift from John Tyler about God's power and strengh and his reminder regarding the Lord's Prayer was right on. Thank you both.

  79. Thank you, John. How powerfully natural to start with God and end with God. To me this week's lesson does the same. Thanks to Estelle (#71) too. It goes without saying that my gratitude to the daily lift team is immense.

  80. Powerful lift! I love your fresh thoughts. I read this early on Tuesday and found it followed with me all day. When I awake very early in the quiet morning hours, that the Lord's Prayer is my first thought. Thank you John. Jane

  81. New, fresh and powerful ideas for understanding & praying the Lord's Prayer --- much appreciated, John! Loved the guitar solo!

  82. Thank you for the beautiful message, John.

  83. God - all power all presence and all intelligence. The only focus.
    Thank you, John

  84. Our first Reader in Boston reminds us beforee
    anouncing the Lords Prayer that it is Universal
    and includes ALL Mankind.

    Thank you John and Troy for explaining it in
    depth I too needed to realize it's full meaning.

  85. Thank you, John! I had never considered the fact that man is not mentioned in the Lord's Prayer. It simply never occurred to do so. Now that you did and shared it, it sure does open a lot of doors for me.

  86. John, I like your reference to hte beginning, middle, and end with God!

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